ROB DUKES On His Split With EXODUS: ‘Looking Back On It, It Was All For The Best’

Former EXODUS singer Rob Dukes has as soon as once more stated that it took him “a couple of yr to not be indignant about” dismissal from the band.

The San Francisco Bay Space thrash steel legends in June 2014 introduced the departure of Dukes and the return of his predecessor, Steve “Zetro” Souza, who beforehand fronted EXODUS from 1986 to 1993 and from 2002 to 2004.

Dukes addressed his present relationship with EXODUS in a brand new interview with Scott Penfold of the “Loaded Radio” podcast. He stated (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): “When EXODUS fired me, it took me a couple of yr to not be indignant about it. It was sudden — I did not see it coming — and it was a tough time in life. I’d simply moved; I’d simply gotten married. It was a heavy burden. And it took me some time. And a couple of yr later, after Gary [Holt, EXODUS guitarist] known as me and we spoke, they flew me as much as San Francisco and I sat down with them. And we laid it out on the desk. And it made it higher — simply to clear the wreckage of that. And I moved on with my life, and so they moved on with their life. I did one present with them — I did just a few songs up in San Francisco — after which I simply began residing my life.”

Dukes went on to say that he now not dwells on the adverse circumstances surrounding his departure from EXODUS.

“[EXODUS] was positively a half of my life, however I do not depend on it,” he stated. “So I simply transfer ahead. However our friendship is nice, man. I went up there to see… After Tom [Hunting, EXODUS drummer] received sick [with cancer in early 2021], we had been speaking your complete time and I used to be conscious of his state of affairs. After which when the time was proper, after he had performed some chemo classes and was feeling a bit higher, I flew up and spent a few days with Tom. And I noticed Gary, and I went and had lunch with Lee [Altus, EXODUS guitarist].

“Look, man, we lived collectively for 10 years. That bond may be very tough to interrupt,” Rob defined. “Particularly when the explanation I received fired, it wasn’t private; it was enterprise. I took it personally at first. However it is a harsh enterprise, man, and there is a number of fucking snakes on the market and there is a number of bizarre individuals who need their little piece. And it is sort of what occurred. It was simply enterprise. Trying again on it, it was all for the very best.”

Three years after he was fired from EXODUS, Dukes carried out with the band throughout a July 2017 live performance in San Francisco, California. He sang a number of songs with the group on the second of EXODUS‘s two-night stint at The Chapel in what marked the band’s first headlining Bay Space membership reveals since late 2013.

Dukes joined EXODUS in January 2005 and appeared on 4 of the band’s studio albums — “Shovel Headed Kill Machine” (2005),“The Atrocity Exhibition… Exhibit A” (2007),“Let There Be Blood” (2008, a re-recording of EXODUS‘s traditional 1985 LP, “Bonded By Blood”) and “Exhibit B: The Human Situation” (2010).

Rob beforehand mentioned his cut up with EXODUS throughout a December 2020 pay-per-view video dialog with Souza, recorded earlier that month at Zetro‘s studio within the San Francisco Bay Space as a part of Souza‘s “Zetro’s Poisonous Vault” YouTube interview collection. On the time, Dukes stated that the seed for his exit from EXODUS was planted in the course of the songwriting and pre-production classes for the band’s 2014 album “Blood In Blood Out”. “One evening, earlier than a present, me, Lee, Tom and Jack [Gibson, drums] had been sitting, and we stated, ‘You recognize, we should always do that [album] totally different. We should always do that one the place we really rehearse collectively and we undergo the songs like a band would do ’em within the previous days’ — undergo ’em and perhaps choose aside components, perhaps make ’em higher, do it that approach,” he stated. “[I thought it was] an important plan; I agreed. I come house, fly again out a few weeks later and every thing is completed. They’re doing the drums, however Jack is doing the engineering, and [longtime British producer] Andy [Sneap] isn’t doing the vocals. And at the moment, nothing in opposition to Jack — I really like Jack — however the distinction was, working with Andy, I did not should sing the entire line all through again and again. Jack wasn’t in a position to, right now, edit in a phrase if I fucked up; I needed to begin throughout. And the dissent had began with me. I felt a number of the songs had been very repetitious.

“Now, I may have simply stored my mouth shut and simply went together with it if I needed to maintain my job, though it would not have mattered, as a result of the enterprise choices, I believe, had been being made behind the scenes with Metallic Maria and Chuck [Billy, TESTAMENT singer]. I, really, in entrance of everybody, challenged Chuck. ‘Trigger Chuck was now managing the band. We’re midway by the report, and so they stated, ‘Properly, Chuck‘s gonna handle the band.’ I’m going, ‘You do not see that as a battle of curiosity — a bit bit?’ And I stated this to Chuck, to his face. I stated, ‘You are telling me, if you happen to get a chance, you are not gonna have TESTAMENT [take the gig]; you are gonna give EXODUS the gig? Get the fuck outta right here, dude! I would not do this, so I do know you are not gonna do this.’ He is, like, ‘I would not do this.’ I’m going, ‘You are not being trustworthy with me. You are not being trustworthy with your self.’ And it brought on, like, a factor. And everybody was mad at me, ‘trigger the boys do not like confrontation. And it wasn’t the songs. The songs had been the songs. I assumed ‘BTK’ was killer. Dude, you probably did ‘BTK’ superior,” he stated, complimenting Zetro. “There have been sure issues about it. I do not wanna shit on it, however a few of it simply appeared regurgitated. I used to be, like, ‘This tune appears like that tune,’ and, ‘This tune appears like this tune,’ and it began to weigh on me. Like I stated, I may have simply stored my mouth shut and simply performed the sport and never rocked the boat, however it wasn’t my nature. My nature was, ‘No, man. We’re higher than this. We have to prime ourselves over the very last thing we did,’ and I did not really feel prefer it was doing that — I felt prefer it was really declining a bit bit, in my eyes, from my place. However it did not imply that I did not give every thing I had — I gave every thing I had on vocals — however Jack was beating me up, as a result of I used to be consistently not in a position to… Particularly with a number of the timing stuff — you have by no means performed it earlier than, and now you are anticipated to do it endlessly. That is the CD, man — that is endlessly.”

Explaining why he was indignant for such a very long time about his dismissal from EXODUS, Dukes stated: “Look, man, [I was] 47 years previous [at the time]. I received married 5 days earlier than. And also you fucking hearth me. If I used to be on my own, if I used to be simply me, I might have been okay with it. I used to be liable for one other human being. I simply moved my complete life from my comfy New York upbringing to a spot [in Arizona] the place I do know one individual, and I do not even know him that effectively; I do know him from touring and watching him once I was a child. I knew Roger Miret from AGNOSTIC FRONT; it is the one man I knew [in Arizona].

“I keep in mind telling my spouse, ‘We’re gonna be okay. It is wonderful. We’re wonderful. I will promote my automotive. And that’ll get us, like, a yr lease, and we’ll be okay. I will determine it out. We’ll be okay.’ However in my head, I used to be fucking terrified,” he admitted. “And I felt like [the EXODUS guys] took one thing from me that I earned, that I deserved. However I used to be taking a look at it improper. I did not deserve something. I did not earn something. I used to be grateful to be there. And I attempted to do the best factor. I keep in mind writing a press release and placing it on the market. I used to be grateful — I used to be grateful for going to over 100 nations in my lifetime, taking part in in entrance of the thousands and thousands of those that I received to play over 10 years. I used to be grateful for each alternative that was given to me; I used to be truthfully grateful. But in addition, I used to be indignant, and I had each proper to be indignant. However I wasn’t in a position to see it for what it was till a yr later — it took me a yr.”

Dukes stated that he needs he had been extra vocal within the earlier phases of the making of “Blood In Blood Out”, significantly because it pertains to EXODUS‘s alternative of producer for the classes.

“The reality was that my half in it, had I been trustworthy from the start and I had stated — ‘trigger there have been occasions once I did not wanna rock the boat — ‘We’re making fucking errors. And if you happen to guys all wanna go to this subsequent stage that you just all speak about, then let’s put our fucking cash the place our mouth is and alter it the way in which we’re doing it,'” he stated. “You’ve got performed it this fashion all this time and you’ve got at all times gotten what you bought. However if you happen to change the sport… Nothing in opposition to Andy, but when we usher in Colin Richardson, usher in fucking Zeuss [Chris Harris], usher in any person [from] outdoors the sport who had his personal concepts of taking a look at issues and perhaps corral a number of the chaotic stuff that was occurring. And perhaps go, ‘You recognize what? The tune does sound like that tune. Possibly we should always fucking take this riff…’ Let producers do what they do… I assumed it will have been superior for any person like Colin Richardson or Zeuss to return in and take Gary Holt [EXODUS guitarist and main songwriter] and sit him down and go, ‘That is superior. However we will make this higher. Let’s do that and check out that.’ And that is what the plan initially was.”

Trying again on how his cut up with EXODUS went down, Rob stated in the course of the “Zetro’s Poisonous Vault” chat that he was “glad that every thing labored out the way in which it did. And I used to be glad that Gary known as me a yr later and I spoke with him,” he stated. “And he was legitimately sorry; I knew he was. And he stated, ‘I would like you to return to San Francisco.’ After which I used to be, like, ‘Properly, how does Zet really feel?’ And he goes, ‘It was Zet‘s thought.'”

Dukes additionally addressed the hypothesis that his substandard vocals on an early model of “Blood In Blood Out” had been proof that he wasn’t sufficiently impressed to ship the products on the album. “That assumption has been stated to me a bunch of occasions,” he stated. “Even Lee has stated, he goes, ‘Your coronary heart wasn’t in it.’ And my ego, which I haven’t got a giant ego — it is not like I am an egotistical dick — however I can let you know that once I was on the microphone, I used to be giving my greatest, I used to be giving all I had. What I felt inside was that the songs weren’t pretty much as good. To me, they felt rushed. I felt a number of the lyrics felt rushed.

“Me and Gary take a look at music very in a different way, and I believe that is why we sort of labored,” he continued. “Gary will write the lyrics earlier than he writes the music, and he matches it in, the place I write the music, write the melody after which fill within the phrases to the melody.

“It is arduous to say it with out sounding like a dick, however it was very… I keep in mind singing one tune and going, ‘Dude, that is that different tune.’ After which, listening to the lead, going, ‘That is the lead from that different tune.’ And I believe that alone, making an attempt to take my ego out of it, perhaps my coronary heart wasn’t it. I want that it was.

“In the intervening time, I knew I used to be giving all I may, however the components in opposition to me was I did not assume the fabric was as sturdy as what we had already performed,” Dukes added. “I needed it to be higher. It is like setting bar for your self after which not giving no less than that measure. After which I assumed that, as a lot as I really like Jack, he wasn’t Andy Sneap. And dealing with Andy, there was one thing to working with Andy that pulls it out of me.

“I keep in mind speaking to [Rob] Halford about it, ‘trigger [Andy recorded] Halford with PRIEST. He made me do fucking 10 fucking takes of every line. If you do 10 takes of every line, after which he fucking items them collectively. And then you definately get again one thing and also you’re, like, ‘Wow, that is the way in which I sang that, huh? Cool.’ No, it wasn’t. It was the way in which Andy put it collectively. After which, impulsively, now you could have a template. ‘Properly, now I am gonna do this reside, ‘trigger that is higher.’ ‘Trigger Andy knew what the fuck he was doing. However now you are simply leaving it to me uncooked. And I assumed not having Andy there for the vocals made me mad — not mad; it simply made me a bit disheartened, I assume. As a result of working for 2 albums with Andy, I knew what to anticipate. It doesn’t matter what template I used to be given, I knew that Andy was gonna make me do it the best approach. And after we had been doing it, it wasn’t that.”

Dukes nonetheless resides in Arizona, the place he works as a mechanic specializing in automotive restoration.

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